Seth Rosenberg

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February 02nd, 2010 | Uncategorized

Why I Am Not A Conservative

A major topic of this blog since its inception has been the vacuous, uninformed nature of right-wing political discourse. I bemoan this fact because I believe in a robust dialogue, and as a temperament I believe conservatism has much to offer our politics. But what passes for conservatism these days is, in my opinion, a mostly content-free ideology. It’s nice to have this confirmed on my own blog.

A reader named Karl Keller has been commenting, quite passionately, on a few recent posts. I don’t know who Karl Keller is or anything about him, but since I want to take my readers’ dissents seriously, I thought his comments deserve a detailed response, which I try to make after the jump.

On Saturday, Mr. Keller commented on my post “Can the Party of ‘No’ Keep It Up?” with the following:

The Republicans as a “party of no” is a misleading and,indeed, mendacious caricature and you, and everyone else on your side of the political spectrum, knows it.

Although perhaps because you repeat it often enough in your own heads, maybe you really DO believe it.

How about some facts instead? Paul Ryan, Republican Congressman from Wisconsin, has introduce a detailed plan called A Road Map for American. See: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904575025080017959478.html

It may be negation of YOUR ideas, but it is not, in any way, an absence of ideas.

Even the President acknowledged Ryan’s ideas in his recent Q&A at the Republican Retreat. Of course, he HAD to…because Obama got virtually nothing done in his first year with just his Democrat allies, and now needs Republicans to get stuff through.

So really, do us all a favor. Give up this “party of no” myth. It’s wrong. It’s idiotic. It’s misleading. It’s disingenuous. It’s intellectually bankrupt.

This is rich.

First, I think it’s clear from my post that the term “Party of ‘No’” in this case refers to the Republicans’ rejectionist strategy of voting, in lockstep, against every piece of major legislation President Obama has offered. This has nothing to do with “ideas”—which are mentioned exactly zero times in my post—and to argue that I’m making any argument about the merits of GOP plans is, to use a term of Mr. Keller’s correctly (more on that later), a straw man.  Calling the GOP the “Party of ‘No’” is, rather, a fact that is literally true in this case. For clarity’s sake, I even included an internal quotation mark. I don’t think there’s anything “misleading” and certainly not “mendacious,” ”wrong,” “idiotic,” “disingenuous” or ”intellectually bankrupt” about labeling a political party that votes “no” time and time again the “Party of ‘No.’”

As for the substance of the comment, such as it is: yes, Paul Ryan’s op-ed in the GOP-friendly Wall Street Journal is full of ideas. Those ideas are aimed at reducing the deficit—a major concern, to be sure, but not what I was writing about, so it’s a bit of a non sequitur to bring up.  To Ryan’s credit, the Congressional Budget Office agrees that his plan would eliminate the long-term deficit. But means matter, and Ryan’s are extreme. Mr. Keller may find Ryan’s methods to be compelling; I do not. (See Ezra Klein for much more on this.)

Regardless of our political views, Paul Ryan’s proposal is not a “negation” of my (unexpressed) ideas any more than the President’s plans are a “negation” of Ryan’s. They are simply competing plans. At the House Republican retreat, the President acknowledged the mere existence of Ryan’s plan—and this was considered a victory by Republicans. Talk about a low bar of success! The difference between Ryan’s plan and that of the Democrats, of course, is that Ryan’s has no chance. While they no longer have a supermajority in the Senate, the Democrats still have huge majorities in both houses of Congress. Which means, pace Mr. Keller, that they don’t always “need Republicans to get stuff through.” They need one Republican Senator to achieve cloture, but for health care reform to pass through reconciliation, where it seems to be headed, Obama is grappling with the internal politics of his own party. The Republicans are effectively irrelevant, which I’d guess is what bothers my commenter so.

Unlike God, however, grievances don’t rest on the seventh day, and so on Sunday Mr. Keller returned, to an earlier post, to vent further frustrations regarding my alleged “intellectual bankruptcy.” Writing about the fallout from Scott Brown’s election in Massachusetts, I argued that the Senate GOP had offered no good-faith compromises on HCR. Mr. Keller began:

Wow.

First you say

The GOP can claim to have offered alternative legislation, but look at Jim DeMint’s proposals and try to tell me with a straight face that they would solve any problems. You can’t.

Uh, this just in. Jim DeMint isn’t the ONLY Senator or Congressman who has provided alternatives. You, like the President, think erecting straw man arguments like this constitutes a sufficient response.

While I’m pretty sure Mr. Keller doesn’t know what the term “straw man” means, he has a small point here. I mentioned Jim DeMint’s health care proposal because it was the highest-profile plan offered by a Republican in the Senate, where HCR was halted in its tracks. Thus, DeMint’s ridiculous plan seemed the relevant example. But in a literal sense, “Jim DeMint isn’t the ONLY Senator or Congressman who has provided alternatives” is a true statement. Here, for example, is House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence’s word-for-word response, in its entirety, to Chris Matthews’ question “What compromise would you say ‘yes’ to on health care? What compromise? Tell me the package; give me the main details.”

“Well, look, you know, I was, uh, yeah, yeah, look, uh” Pence stammered, before finally saying that Republicans support allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines (which is a GOP proposal in the first place).

Again, thank you, Republican, for proving my point. I don’t think this needs pointing out, but here goes: Pence’s is not a good-faith compromise. In fact, it’s not a compromise at all. It is a reiteration of the GOP’s proposed plan (which is a dumb plan, by the way) with no concessions to the other side. So I do think it “constitutes a sufficient response” to GOP recalcitrance to point out that they have yet to offer any workable compromises on health care. (This is, of course, exactly their strategy to kill it.) Do I need to explain what a compromise is? Here’s the dictionary definition: “a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims, principles, etc., by reciprocal modification of demands.” The Republican “position” on health care reform is the legislative equivalent of a whining child.

Speaking of compromise, Mr. Keller later tries to take me to task for half-seriously calling for the dissolution of the Senate. He begins by quoting me:

There are many people, myself included, who believe that America might be better off if the Senate were simply abolished. If wishes were horses…

Unbelievable. Have you ever actually studied our constitutional government and why a bi-cameral legislative structure was established in the first place? And why the Founders, particularly the brilliant John Adams, were so adamant about putting in place two legislative bodies?

To PREVENT crazy insane legislation from being passes without deliberative discussion and broad consensus. The Founders WANTED a creaky, inefficient government. Because an efficient and smooth functioning government is potentially a DESPOTIC government.

It never ceases to amaze me how little the left knows about how things are supposed to work.

Now I think I know what Karl Keller is: a sixth-grader. Because I learned in the seventh grade about the Connecticut Compromise that lead to a bicameral Congress. I also learned then, when I was 12 years old, that the Connecticut Compromise had little basis in political theory—it was a compromise between states of large and small populations to get the Constitution passed. That’s why it’s called a Compromise. The Founders who supported a bicameral plan designed the Senate not to prevent despotism, but rather, as Richard N. Rosenfeld writes, “to protect wealth and aristocracy from the demands of a democratic majority.”

James Madison, Father of the Constitution, may not have been, in Mr. Keller’s eyes, as “brilliant” as John Adams (who, it should be noted, wasn’t even a delegate to the Constitutional Convention), but here’s what he wrote of the Senate: “[I]t is superfluous to try, by the standard of theory, a part of the Constitution which is allowed on all hands to be the result, not of theory, but ‘of a spirit of amity, and that mutual deference and concession which the peculiarity of our political situation rendered indispensable.’” That quote is from a little-read political tract called the Federalist Papers (No. 62 in this case), and for clarity here’s a translation to modern English: We don’t want to create a Senate, but we have to, as a political compromise.

Compromise. Something the Right hates, as I’ve tried to point out over and over in this space. Another thing the Right hates is change, because it is uncomfortable and foreign. In mentioning that maybe the Senate is a useless, indeed destructive, institution, I obviously struck a nerve with Mr. Keller’s political sensibilities: the nature of American government as it is now is to the Right inviolable. This is why conservatives believes our health care system is fine as it is, and why even the mention of getting rid of the Senate strikes Mr. Keller as blasphemy. (He makes no effort to engage my actual point, which was about abuse of the filibuster.) As a practical matter, I don’t think eliminating the Senate is possible, but discussing such a proposition is not “unbelievable,” as Mr. Keller would have it. There is nothing fixed about American democracy, which is what makes it great. Indeed, the Senate Mr. Keller so cherishes would seem awfully foreign to his straw men Founders. Until the passage of the 17th Amendment in 1913, which is to say for more than half of America’s history, Senators were elected by state legislatures. In other words: things change.

But according to Mr. Keller, I know little about “how things are supposed to work.” There we have it. One of the fundamental animating impulses of modern American conservatism is its certainty in the way things are and ought to be. Certainty betrays entitlement, which may be why conservatism appeals to old white men. It seems pedantic to note that among the practices “supposed to work” in the 18th century were slavery and the subjugation of women; dealing with the dogmatic often requires a retreat to simple terms. But I digress.

What happened to conservatism to curdle it so? I don’t have a good answer to that question. The bitter pill of 2006 and 2008 seems to have had little effect on the GOP’s bluster. Republicans continue to act as if they never lost. But here’s what I wish: I wish for an intelligent conservatism that can argue policy on its merits, that understands its history and the contradictions therein, that does not retreat to sloganeering to make cheap points—a conservatism that knows and does not fear subtlety. The cynical tautologies of Mr. Keller serve nothing but the basest of our politics.

This article has 5 comments

  1. Karl Keller Says:

    Who am I? Years ago I used to know Carolyn Jack, when I was at Northwestern (and no, not it the 6th grade, sorry to burst your bubble — it was when I was getting two advanced degrees).

    Meanwhile, you are an halfway decent parser of words, Mr. Rosenberg, which is probably why you admire Barack Obama so much — he’s man who can parse words with the best of them, even though we can never sure if he means any of them since he winds up reversing his position on so much of what he says.

    Of course, when the words come back to bite him, like the hollow promise to broadcast health-cared negotiations on C-SPAN for everyone to see, and then he subcontracts out legislation to Harry Reid and backroom deals get cut with Mary Landrieu and Ben Nelson — well, parsing can only take you so far until your own hypocrisy comes up and bites you in in the behind.

    Meanwhile, it’s at least honest on your part when you say Republicans are the “party of no” because, in your weak definition, they are saying NO! to the ideas of YOUR side. But at that point of your word parsing, the phrase just becomes a meaningless piece of demagoguery, a vapid slogan.

    By your definition, the Democrats then are also the “Party of No.”

    They are the party of NO insurance company competition across state lines.

    They are the party of NO tort reform so as to help eliminate the costly practice of defensive medicine.

    They are the party of NO freedom of choice, insisting as they do in the monstrosity of the health care bill that everyone is mandated to have insurance coverage.

    I could go on, but you get the idea…I think.

    Finally, alas, you can quote from the Federalist Papers, but you don’t understand them.

    THIS is the money quote in Federalist 62, where Madison (and Hamilton don’t forget) justify each state having in the Senate equal representation (what they call in this passage “the ingredient.” Emphasis mine:

    Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the Senate is, the additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then, of a majority of the States. It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may in some instances be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defense which it involves in favor of the smaller States, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other States, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger. But as the larger States will always be able, by their power over the supplies, to defeat unreasonable exertions of this prerogative of the lesser States, and as the faculty and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which our governments are most liable, it is not impossible that this part of the Constitution may be more convenient in practice than it appears to many in contemplation.

    And boy, if there’s is anything that embodies diseased “excesses of lawmaking” it’s the 2000 page monstrosity of a health care reform bill with its panoply of taxes, mandates and 118 new bureaucratic commissions and panels and what not.

    Alas, unlike YOU, the Founders thought the Senate essential and would be horrified if it were to be abolished, which is what YOU called for, remember.

    That you (a) buy into a meaningless “Party of No” slogan and (b) would even entertain the idea of abolishing the Senate proves pretty conclusively that, at this point in your young blogging career, you are not a serious thinker.

  2. Peter Says:

    Seth — thank you for taking the time to be so precise, clear, and rational. I wonder what you think about the Democrats actually doing what the Republicans threatened: the nuclear option — changing the Senate rules to get rid of the filibuster. The Republicans did not do it because the Democratic minority in the Senate backed down on anything of real substance — compare Alito and Roberts to, say, Sotomayor. I think Sotomayor is terrific, but she’s a centrist compared to Alito and Roberts, both of whom the Democrats rolled over for. Is there any chance the Republicans would not filibuster someone like Lawrence Tribe? Good god, they filibuster an NLRB appointee because he “sympathizes with unions.” Are the only people qualified to be part of the NLRB people who sympathize with employers?

    In short, the Democrats don’t gain anything, or very much, by retaining the ability to block the Republicans by means of the filibuster (or its threat) when the Democrats are in the minority, but the Republicans wield that power for all its worth. I say: to hell with the filibuster.

    You?

  3. admin Says:

    Mr. Keller’s comment is, I’m sorry to say, very…predictable. And unpersuasive. And proving of my point, again.

    First, I should make a quick correction. When I wrote “I don’t know who Karl Keller is or anything about him” I should have written “I don’t CARE who Karl Keller is or anything about him.” This isn’t about you, Mr. Keller, although you seem intent on making it about me.

    Anyway. I think we all have better things to do than name-call, so let’s get down to business.

    Mr. Keller’s objections to my critique seem to be threefold:

    1. That I admire Barack Obama because he is clever with words, but willfully ignore his hypocrisy.

    2. That I engage in demagoguery by calling the Republicans a “Party of ‘No’” even though my “vapid slogan” also applies to the Democrats’ unwillingness to accede to Republican policies.

    3. That I don’t understand basic historical documents, and if I had understood correctly I would not deign to question the Founders.

    I hope this is an accurate characterization of Mr. Keller’s complaints. I would respond thusly:

    1.) If you believe that hypocrisy is an unforgivable political sin, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you. It goes to the Moon. In all seriousness, I think this is really weak sauce. Everyone sees their political opponent as a hypocrite; rarely does it have any substantive effect on policy.

    But for what it’s worth: a.) health care is not yet dead, so this is all a bit premature; b.) the President did not “subcontract legislation to Harry Reid” — it’s Congress’ JOB to write legislation, not the President’s; c.) it’s minor, but the giveaways to LA and NE are being stripped out of the bill; and most importantly d.) Mr. Keller’s complaint doesn’t address or in any way effectively critique anything I wrote. If he wants to accuse me of hero worship, he should say that. If he wants to make a point about Obama’s handling of health care reform, he should say that. If he wants to assert that Democratic policies are bad for the country, he should say that. But instead he seems to be trying to argue that I admire Barack Obama because, like me, he’s somewhat good with words, but really this is just a way for us to cover our hypocrisy. Which, okay, yeah, Obama has changed course on many things, as is his wont, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that the current health care plan is considerably MORE CONSERVATIVE than the one he campaigned on. Shouldn’t I, the obeisant liberal, be the one complaining about hypocrisy? Which reminds me…

    2. I’m accused of demagoguery for using the “meaningless” “Party of ‘No’” “slogan.” You really have got to be kidding me with this. For one thing, slogan or not, it is far from “meaningless.” I spelled out the meaning quite clearly in this very post, and Mr. Keller seems to agree: “In your weak definition, they are saying NO! to the ideas of YOUR side.” Now, I don’t know what’s “weak” about a literal definition, but yes, exactly: they are saying NO! to the ideas of my side. Because my side won, and thus we get to write legislation. That’s how democracy works. Mr. Keller has every right to disagree with the POLICIES of “my side” — I disagree with some too; they’re not liberal enough for me — but that doesn’t mean the President, or the Democrats in Congress, have to give into anything they DISAGREE with.

    Like or not, Mr. Keller, the Democrats are in power. The Congressional Republicans, if they are interested in reforming our health care system (which they claim to be but are plainly not) have to negotiate on the plan written by the majority. My point was that GOP legislators are not negotiating: they are engaging in strategic rejectionism in the hopes of killing reform. They may well succeed! But Mr. Keller seems to expect the Democrats to give away the farm to avoid this. Republican intransigence does not, I hate to tell you, lead to the actual enactment of Republican policies. It leads to no reform at all. So there couldn’t be a more “vapid” statement than “They are the party of NO freedom of choice, insisting as they do in the monstrosity of the health care bill that everyone is mandated to have insurance coverage.” The mandate is part of their plan! I hate to split an infinitive, but saying that the Democrats are the “Party of NO” for objecting to NOT having a mandate (without which, by the way, there’s no point to insurance competition across state lines) is a pretty surreal way to argue. I think it’s pretty clear who’s engaging in demagoguery here: the person who is not me.

    3. Finally, the Senate stuff. What really rankles is the censorship. How dare I so much as SUGGEST the abolition of the Senate! Look: I’m not all that invested in this. I recognize that the Senate isn’t going anywhere, and we’d all be better served to find practicable solutions to legislative gridlock. But I’m sorry to say, Mr. Keller, that the Senate is not sacrosanct, and that big long quote and your cherry-picked emphases in it do nothing to prove that it is. First, what you neglect to notice is that the author couches your quote with mine; in other words, Madison (or Hamilton, or both — no one is sure) explained in Federalist No. 62 that the inclusion of a Senate reflects a political imperative, not a philosophical necessity (my quote)…and then he went on to justify it (your quote and then some). There was no universal consensus among the founders that it was philosophically necessary. Madison’s Virgina Plan had no equal representation in the Congress, nor did the draft of a plan Hamilton wrote but never formally offered. Also, let’s note that the following sentence appears in your selection: “It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may in some instances be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defense which it involves in favor of the smaller States, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other States, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger.” In other words: this shit ain’t perfect. Which, wouldn’t you know, is what I’ve been saying this whole time. Lastly, I find it far-fetched that even you believe the phrase “excess of law-making” refers to the LENGTH of bills. That tired trope needs to go away. If you disagree with legislation, say so, but don’t try to hide your lack of argument in a sad complaint about the number of pages. The American health care system, like many things, is very complicated. There is nothing serious about claiming that major legislation ought to be concise.

    In fact, there’s nothing serious about any of this. Color me shocked. Mr. Keller continues to avoid the substance of my arguments, instead trying to push his own politics by attacking me and my silly “parsing of words.” The condescension would be maddening if it weren’t so pathetic.

  4. admin Says:

    Peter- Thanks for your kind words. I’d actually respond to your queries in reverse. First: yes, to hell with the filibuster! Shout it from the rooftops! It’s a poisonous device, but the only reason it’s working so well for the Republicans is because of their complete and total party discipline. The Dems have never had that in the minority (or the majority, obviously). The spectre of tea party challenges has even the more moderate GOP members walking the party line.

    Unfortunately, the Dems don’t have the votes to do away with it, and even if they did, look how spineless they are. I’m not holding my breath. Matt Yglesias is particularly great on this subject, if you’re interested.

    As to the larger theme of appointees: it seemed to me, at the time, that Obama chose Sotomayor a. because she’s Latina; b. because she’s smart; and c. because it seemed more prudent for him to appoint a moderate as his first SCOTUS appointment and then try to get more liberal nominees confirmed for subsequent openings than the reverse. Someone like Tribe or Diane Wood or Kathleen Sullivan would have had a messy, protracted fight that would have distracted from HCR (look what good it did!) and likely wouldn’t have gotten through anyway. I’d love a real liberal Justice, but that just doesn’t seem likely.

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